I don't care, I just wrote to clarify the project, in the Go community, isn't called "sqlite". That wouldn't make sense; there are multiple (pin-compatible) sqlite interfaces for Go.
downrightmike 1 days ago [-]
SQL would have been SEQL if not for trademark issues, the torch is passed
The readme really lacks the answer to the "why" question. What's the use case, why should I prefer it over real sqlite?
ameliaquining 23 hours ago [-]
The "port" terminology is misleading; this is real SQLite, compiled from C to Go using https://gitlab.com/cznic/ccgo/-/tree/master/v4 (by the same author; this library is its most widely used application). The use case is that a lot of Go codebases prefer to completely eschew FFI because a lot of the nice properties of Go's tooling and whatnot (cross-compilation is trivial, binaries are automatically static on Linux, etc.) only hold if the entire build is pure Go.
ivanjermakov 23 hours ago [-]
So because of Go's design mistakes.
10000truths 19 hours ago [-]
No. A mistake is unintentional. Go's rejection of a C runtime dependency is a deliberate trade off, and one that has served it well for its design goals.
ameliaquining 22 hours ago [-]
Compared to what? Other languages AFAIK don't offer those properties at all, except I guess Zig.
tptacek 19 hours ago [-]
The biggest reason you'd want a cgo-free sqlite is if you're cross-compiling; for instance, from your macOS dev laptop to an x64 dev server.
spwa4 10 hours ago [-]
Exactly. Even though your m5 max laptop will run the x86 binary just fine, if you don't compile it for arm, your m5 max laptop drops most of its speed and only has the same performance as an x86 server ...
0x20cowboy 18 hours ago [-]
If your codebase is pure golang it’s trivial to cross compile for different OSs (aside from binary signing on macOS). If you add some kind of C code you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get a binary. Funny enough, I was looking for this exact project for that reason last week.
blubber 23 hours ago [-]
Because it's cgo-free maybe?
usrnm 23 hours ago [-]
Cgo overhead is trivial compared to what's happening inside a database engine, totally not worth it
anupcshan 23 hours ago [-]
It's not just about overhead/performance. cgo-free means no need to set up a cross-compiler if targeting other devices. Just "go build" with the right GOARCH and GOOS will let you compile a binary that will run on most devices.
dizhn 23 hours ago [-]
Static builds cannot have cgo too if I am not mistaken.
agwa 22 hours ago [-]
The following go flags let you build statically-linked cgo binaries, provided that all the C libraries that you're using support static linking and don't call the NSS functions in glibc:
I regularly compile (cross-compile, even) static Go binaries that use the cgo sqlite package. But it's certainly a lot simpler if you can avoid cgo.
usrnm 23 hours ago [-]
I'm pretty sure that C is a much better choice if you really care about binaries that run on most devices
Ferret7446 23 hours ago [-]
Depends on what you mean by "most". The cross compile story for Go is far superior to C for the platforms it supports.
anupcshan 22 hours ago [-]
This project is for using Sqlite from Go code. It is not a general purpose replacement.
figmert 23 hours ago [-]
Absolutely not. Maybe runtime overheads are minimal, but builds are so much harder to do. And yes, you need to figure it out maybe once, but it is still a lot more effort than just pulling in a new dependency. Now repeat that same effort for every new application, vs pulling that into every new application.
raggi 23 hours ago [-]
that’s really not true when the database is all in memory, statements are prepared, and so on.
but the overheads also stack up, the database/sql api is fairly allocation heavy too unless you do a lot of work and that friction increases quite a bit with the ffi boundary.
this is not to suggest “modernc is faster” - it’s not for a lot a workloads.
there are opportunities for optimization all over both approaches.
pjjpo 9 hours ago [-]
This project seems to get shared every month or so. It's really sad that HN's signal to noise has fallen this hard... While I continue to have it in my feed, I'm more and more opening up Reddit since it just feels more robust now adays.
pstuart 1 days ago [-]
So is this a handmade port vs the translated port done by modernc?
vicek22 1 days ago [-]
modernc is the name of the GitHub fork (identical repo) of the same project. This is machine translated, not hand written.
spwa4 10 hours ago [-]
It's machine translated with TLA, tested, and finished by adding a few extra pure go mechanisms (such as Go code-backed virtual tables)
ftgffsdddr 24 hours ago [-]
Gitlab requires js
Would you please host it on a different forge, eg codeberg
zzo38computer 23 hours ago [-]
I agree that it would be better to not require JavaScripts. (But, I think it can be helpful to have mirrors on other services as well, for this and other reasons.)
However, there are some work arounds to some situations. Git could (presumably) still be used, if you have that (although you might not want the entire repository and only some files, so that is a possible issue with this). If you have a URL of a specific file that you can change "blob" to "raw" in the URL to access the raw file (this works on other services as well and is not specific to Gitlab). For commits, you can add ".patch" or ".diff" on the end of the URL (this also is not specific to Gitlab).
22 hours ago [-]
qweqwe14 12 hours ago [-]
Just use a real web browser or enable JS, it's not that hard buddy. "Why do you keep hitting yourself?"
slopinthebag 24 hours ago [-]
Codeberg requires html
Would you please host it on a different forge that doesn't require a web browser?
bananamogul 23 hours ago [-]
HackerNews requires js.
Would you please post this on a different discussion forum?
1. gitlab.com/cznic/sqlite is the primary repo
2. github.com/cznic/sqlite was the github mirror but it moved
3. github.com/mordernc-org/sqlite is the read-only mirror of the primary repo
Cheers!
Typo, should be: github.com/modernc-org/sqlite
It's a somewhat less faithful translation, since I manually ported the VFS (SQLite OS abstraction layer).
OTOH, each SQLite connection is sandboxed (can't access/corrupt Go memory, or other SQLite connections). And it should run everywhere Go runs.
1: https://github.com/ncruces/go-sqlite3
2: https://github.com/ncruces/wasm2go
2023: Go port of SQLite without CGo (255 points, 118 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35488980
2020: Cznic/sqlite: Sqlite in pure Golang (no CGO) (6 points, not interesting for discussion.. this project is old) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24358826
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-tags netgo,osusergo -linkmode external -extldflags -static
I regularly compile (cross-compile, even) static Go binaries that use the cgo sqlite package. But it's certainly a lot simpler if you can avoid cgo.
but the overheads also stack up, the database/sql api is fairly allocation heavy too unless you do a lot of work and that friction increases quite a bit with the ffi boundary.
this is not to suggest “modernc is faster” - it’s not for a lot a workloads.
there are opportunities for optimization all over both approaches.
Would you please host it on a different forge, eg codeberg
However, there are some work arounds to some situations. Git could (presumably) still be used, if you have that (although you might not want the entire repository and only some files, so that is a possible issue with this). If you have a URL of a specific file that you can change "blob" to "raw" in the URL to access the raw file (this works on other services as well and is not specific to Gitlab). For commits, you can add ".patch" or ".diff" on the end of the URL (this also is not specific to Gitlab).
Would you please host it on a different forge that doesn't require a web browser?
Would you please post this on a different discussion forum?